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Comment by chippers mom on August 28, 2014 at 9:52pm

And briefing and legal are to protect him or the Navy?

Comment by LoriM on August 28, 2014 at 9:49pm

chippers mom,,, he will most likely have the option to rejoin in 6 months unless they give a certain of medical discharge.  he should also have the option to dispute it there if they want to release him.  He will get a chance to talk to legal also if they are discharging him so he will know if he will have that option.  My daughter went through this last year and is now back in boot camp right now.

 

Comment by chippers mom on August 28, 2014 at 9:35pm

Hi moms of ship 5. My kid is there because of medical problems. I talked to him today and he has dinged waiver for them to talk to me. He has appointment next week for briefing. WTH is briefing?his rights, a recommendation , or " sorry" the more I read the more I see this is so , practiced so rehearsed. My son doesn't want to leave, but sitting there day in day out he will never be able to go through BT. we would all really like for him to be released with the option of returning in 6 months or more. Noticed I said option.However Quitting is not an option . So what next?

Comment by yellowdog on August 10, 2014 at 7:56pm

My blab was too long for one posting, so this is

PART 1

My son will be home tomorrow, and we are so excited.  I would like to share his story with you in hopes that someone in the Navy would learn to treat their sailors with a little more respect.  My son has wanted to be nothing except a SEAL since high school.  He made all his choices based on what would best help him become a SEAL.  He earned his Eagle Scout at the age of 13. He was on the high school swim team, Army JROTC, National Honor Society, and worked year round as a life guard on Ft. Knox.  He attended the local community college at night after his high school day was over so that he could take college algebra and trigonometry.  He applied and was awarded a NROTC scholarship to the University of Utah to learn Arabic.  Before moving to Utah, he studied Arabic at a school in Morocco.  About half way through his first semester at the U of U, the Navy asked what he wanted to do in the Navy.  When he told them a SEAL, they told him he was in the wrong program because SEALS get their officers from the Naval Academy and from current SEALs in the ROTC program.  They said he should go in the Navy as enlisted. 

He completed the semester and relinquished his scholarship so that he could enlist and try for a SEAL contract.  The CO of the ROTC program at Utah was angry because he gave up scholarship and told him he would be flipping burgers the rest of his life.

When he came home from Utah, I talked him in to finishing his degree, because the odds of making it through the SEAL program is not that good.  I told him that maybe with a bachelors degree if he didn’t make it through the program, hopefully the Navy would offer him a better career choice.  He told me he would make it through, but I reminded him that even though he had the willpower and strength, he could still get hurt and be medically disqualified.  So he went ahead and finished his degree in 2013. After graduation, he headed to Ocean City, MD for the summer as a member of their beach rescue team because he wanted to get more experience swimming in the ocean.

After his summer job was over he came home and started the process of enlisting in the Navy.  To get a SEAL contract, you first have to enlist in delayed entry and then you apply for a SEAL contract.  His ASVAB scores were high, so he enlisted in the nuclear program then he applied for and was awarded a SEAL contract.

Numerous times a week he would travel an hour away to train with a Navy spec war group.  This was all on his time and dime.  He left for boot camp May 15.

Comment by yellowdog on August 10, 2014 at 7:37pm

PART 2

In June at one of the special medical physicals they give to spec war guys, his hands were shaking during some kind of pointing test.  He was sent to a neurologist and a brain MRI and blood work was done.  The neuro said he would not lose his SEAL contract because it was a mild physiological tremor and would not be a detriment to his job.  Then the week of boot camp graduation, he was told he needed to followup with the neuro, so he went to see him again.  He met with the neurologist and the dive doctor and both said it was not a problem and that they would write a wavier.  He graduated bootcamp on July 11 after which he was transferred to the Temporary Hold Unit (THU) waiting for a medical wavier to get processed. 

He was expecting to be there a couple of days but in his third week he was told that he had been disqualified from any Special Ops ratings.  They sent him to reclassify where they offered him four ratings that were at the bottom of the barrel sort to speak.  He asked if he could get into intelligence or language or OCS.  He was told to pick from those he was offered or get out.  I understand medical decisions, because we would not want to jeopardize his well being or his team’s well being, but you would think the Navy would try to hold on to someone who has so much to offer.

He chose to leave, because there will be better things for him somewhere else.  One more kicker, while in THU he was assigned duty as the duty driver.  It’s a 24 hour duty and your job is to transport people to various places.  At night he slept in his duty pants so that if he got a call to give someone a ride he could get there faster.  He was written up (counseling chit) for sleeping in his pants.  I thank him for using his brain and wanting to do the best job possible!

I am a Navy veteran and my Navy treated sailors with more respect.

Wishing the best to all in SEPARATIONS!  You can do IT!

Comment by SailorMoon9506 on August 1, 2014 at 12:42am

Received another call from our daughter this morning with some more info. I told her to make sure to sign medical and legal papers in case I had to call. She already did. She was joking and being a little more like her old sarcastic self today. When I asked her if she was going back she said not without finishing her degree, and not unless she could skip P-Days, and then laughed. She will be home in 2-3 weeks, flying in. She also said she was told that she would be getting paid until the 24 hours before she left. And then very quietly, in her please don't tell me no to my next question mommy, voice, asked if I would keep her on my medical and dental. Hoping her spirit stays up. 

Comment by Camsproudmom on July 31, 2014 at 9:30am

Yellowdog & sailormoon9506 you can find a lot of support & very helpful info on Facebook we have a group called ship 5 seps. I joined over 2 months ago when my son was in seps. It is a closed private group. I am sure like all of use you have many questions this group can shed light on them.

Comment by SailorMoon9506 on July 31, 2014 at 1:22am

Hi all. Got the call today that our daughter was being medically separated. She left her June 24th to go to the RTC. By July first she was SIQ and then LLD for pneumonia. She spent the entire month of July being either LLD or SIQ. She is finally free of the pneumonia and to make sure they do a CT scan because her chest is constantly in pain. Something shows up on the scan, no clue what it is. She saw a cardiologist Monday, who said it wasn't her heart. Hoping it is some left over inflammation from the pneumonia. She said that they told her that if she came home, saw her doctor, and was medically cleared, she could re-enlist in 3-6 months. She feels like she has completely failed. She has never quit anything before, and being forced to quit has crushed her spirit. I could hear it in her voice. 

Comment by yellowdog on July 30, 2014 at 6:30pm

Horror story; Hi all.  I wanted to share my son's story.  He graduated boot camp 7/11/2014 with div 816 (Seal contract). In June at a special medical physical, the doc saw a mild tremor in his hands.  The doc sent him to a neurologist on June 16 where a brain MRI and blood work was done. The neuro told him it was just a mild physiological tremor which many people have and it would not get in the way of the SEAL contract and he was good to go. The week of graduation, it was noticed in his records that he was supposed to have a followup with the neuro.  So he saw the neuro and the dive doctor.  Both docs said they would write a wavier because the tremor would not be a problem.  After PIR on 7/11/14, he was sent to THU because the wavier paperwork wasn't in the file yet.  He was given the impression that he would only be there a couple of days while the wavier was filed and orders issued.  At THU he could not have his electronic stuff so we left his stuff with a sailor from his division who was now across the street.  My son would get it from him when he was moved across the street.  After a few days, my son checked at medical to see what was going on and they told him the wavier had to be reviewed.  Two weeks later, when he asked again they told him his case was in SpecWar in CA.  The next day he asked another corpsman and they said his case was at legal.  Today I mailed him his civilian clothes because he can have them now.  Today he was told that he has been disqualified from his SEAL contract.  They gave him 4 careers to choose from, CTN, Hospital Corpsman, Seabee, MAA.  He had a bachelor's degree and asked about OCS.  They said no.  He asked about getting into Navy intelligence and they said no.  Pick from these 4 or get out.  He is devastated.  He has worked many years getting and staying in shape for his contract.  He would also like to work in intelligence or language, but they will not let him.  He has decided to separate.  Tomorrow he will move to separations and now cannot have his electronics or the clothes I just mailed to him.  We don't know how we can get this items.  I cannot believe how the Navy treats young men like him.

Comment by sweetpea on July 2, 2014 at 11:08am

Hi all, 

I am a newbie here. My sailor just texted me and told me that a PO at TPU told him to get ready to get kicked out. He is upset, frustrated and heartbroken after talking to the PO, and so am I. 

Here is the story. He just finished A school and suppose to be flew out to his ship this week. However, he has been having a groin problem since he was in bootcamp. He went to the doctor while he was in bootcamp (doctor told him that he might have or about to have one). Went through bootcamp with pain. Finally finished A school a few weeks ago and went to the doctor at a local base while he was on leave.  Confirmed its not hernia. Checked in at his 1st duty station a week ago, went to another doctor at his duty station. Doctor refer him to a sports doctor (tomorrow) and wrote him a note for MRI (next week) and he is on LLD for 30 days right now. 

What is next? Is he definitely going to be discharged like the PO told him, or he still have hope staying in? How long is it going to take to know whether his is going to be discharged or not? 

Thanks

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