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Comment by tysmom on December 6, 2014 at 2:15pm

Women should not be allowed on subs period. God made us the way we are for a reason; so we may be attracted to one another. To close of quarters, passing each other is a touching factor on a sub and all your other good reasons. Women can be used in other areas of the Navy.

It is time to be realistic.

Comment by CO-TwinSalorsMom on December 6, 2014 at 1:04pm

Well said J's/S'sMom.  

Anyone watch MASH? the shower jokes are old as the hills, not saying it is OK just that it has been going on forever.

Comment by CO-TwinSalorsMom on December 6, 2014 at 12:43pm

Another sub consideration is that on the other ships when there are issues they can remove those involved. They have a Captains Mast and they get removed from the ship. On a sub that is under the sea for LONG periods of time this can not happen or puts their whole purpose to be silent at risk. 

Comment by CO-TwinSalorsMom on December 6, 2014 at 11:59am

The discussion of women in the navy, I think it is great that women are in the navy and army etc... But maybe there are certain areas that are not appropriate IE a female SEAL would never work just as a mater of physical ability, just a fact, n=men are stronger for the most part, God made it that way. 

Women don't make up 1/2 the Navy,,,anyone know the ratio?

One of mine is on a DDG and they relieved 11 sailors while on deployment, I would say blame is mutual in most cases. My other son will be assigned to a sub once he completes Prototype. Niether of my sailors thin women on a sub is a good idea. Just to cramped quarters. They are not saying that the guys can't be trusted. I think both are thinking out of respect for the females, and think it is inviting trouble. 

I do agree that in our Gradparents day even our Parents day there was WAY more respect instilled toward women. I tried to teach this to my boys, however my Ex-husband, (one reason he is an Ex) told them in front of me, "you open a door for a woman these days she will smack you", Some women in their over board equality thing have hurt women when it comes to refusing acts of respect. I was raised with a father who opened doors, helped with coats, held chairs, walked on the left of a woman to be between trafic and her etc... I was impressed  that the navy has taught some of this to my two to support what I was trying to teach, one even said something about my teaching them these things and they were affirmed in their training, 

Comment by Pat L. in IL on December 6, 2014 at 9:49am

J's/S'smom, On my son's sub, they tried the 24 hour schedule and everyone hated it so they are back to 18 hour.

Comment by 985cat ship 14 div 065 on December 5, 2014 at 10:30pm

Not sure about fast attacks, different schedule, different boat, missions etc...but lets hope so. 

Comment by Shea on December 5, 2014 at 10:15pm

985cat ship 14 dub 065 do you know if this schedule will happen on fast attacks as well? My son has told me he averages about 5 hours of sleep!

Comment by 985cat ship 14 div 065 on December 5, 2014 at 10:04pm

Boomers are now going to a different work schedule. Somewhat to what we have here as civilians.They will be able to sleep 8 hours work 8 hours and have off 8 hours. This is all "New" Navy realizes after much debate that the 18 hour day they use to have just doesn't work and very hard to get use to..The sailors were lacking much sleep..which also sets them up for possible accidents to happen. So my son is happy to report this time out on patrol is much better, and easier to get use to. Much more like a normal eat, sleep, work schedule.Thank God!

Comment by Cath Bubblehead mom on December 5, 2014 at 7:45pm

Thanks J's mom! great link!

Comment by BunkerQB on December 5, 2014 at 6:03pm

The "corridors" on fast attack submarines (Los Angeles Class) are even tighter than the Virginia class. The fast attacks have all male crews and is unlikely to integrate women into the crew because of the limited space (designated bathroom/shower) for either officer or enlisted.

I have had two sons in the military. One a former Naval officer. The other attended United States Military Academy (West Point) for two years.

Here are some of the comments I have heard from them.

1. Navy son - "I am glad I am leaving the military before anyone sues to have a woman on a fast attack.  Not from a standpoint that a female can not do the work but from a standpoint that as an officer, he has the responsibility for his division's well being, safety etc." My son is physically strong and mentally tough but he admitted freely that making sure everyone behaves was going to be a real issue. During one deployment he went on a 4 six hours shifts. The one six hour period (his personal time), he had to do all the paperwork, sleep, eat, etc. As it is, most officer function on 3-4 hours of sleep per 24 hours cycle.
2. Navy son - "I had heard (thru friends on surface ships) female officers sometimes play the 'poor me - I am just a female' card and get away with doing less, get assigned to better schedules." He also saw a female OCS candidate get treated excessively harsh (in his opinion). That particular female candidate passed OCS with flying colors and gained the admiration of all.
3. USMA son - "I just don't think an integrated military academy works. There should be separate academies." He found during marches, the contents of the packs for the women were lightened (distributed amongst the male members of the company) in order for them to keep up and not hold the company back. One female upper class cadet (from another company) "wrote him up" for being in civilian clothes.  He was approved by his own company leader to wear civies because he was meeting his brother for dinner. His brother did not want to be saluted all over the post and made a request. Other upper class cadets (all male) accepted my son's reasons for being in civies. The female cadet was the only one to write him up - resulting in a demerit.

I personally believe a woman can do anything a man can do. In some areas, I just don't think it makes any sense. Videotaping anyone (males or female) by anyone (male or female) is unacceptable.

PERSONAL SPACE is an issue with an integrated crew. No way around this one.

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