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800 and 900 Divisions

800 Divisions

Once the recruits arrive, those with contracts as candidates to Naval Special Warfare operator ratings are moved aside to be in the 800 division/s. Those ratings are SEALs or Special Warfare Operator (SO), Navy Diver (ND), Special Warfare Boat Operator (SB) or Special Warfare Combatant – craft Crewman (SWCC), Aviation Rescue Swimmers or AIRR, and Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD). There are usually only 25 or fewer 800 divisions a year, so not every TG will have one, but some TG's will have one or two 800 divisions. We often see that loved ones of those in an 800 division receive "the box" and the form letter on the same day or within a day or so of each other and sometimes the form letter comes before "the box" because these divisions do not have to wait for P-days to be over to be formed since the recruits in these divisions are determined by their contracts before arrival. Those in an 800 division do the same training that recruits in regular divisions go through and then they have a second PT (physical training) time each day when PT is scheduled so they have PT in the morning and in the afternoon. They also have regularly scheduled time at the pool for training in addition to the times that they would have pool time if they were in a regular division. They may learn and be tested in the Combat Swimmer Stroke (CSS) or be able to test using a freestyle stroke depending on the field they are going into. The SR's in an 800 division can receive an extra ration of food around midnight at the galley if they want it due to the extra calories that they burn due to the physical training that they go through. These recruits are not permitted to work out except during PT or IT (intensive training; extra PT given as a corrective action). The 800 divisions go through Battle Stations-21 alone, with another 800 division if there are 2 or more 800 divisions in the TG, with the 900 division/s, or with a pair of brother divisions from the regular divisions. We often think of the 800 divisions as being all male divisions and most of the year that is true, but there are integrated 800 divisions at times because candidates for AIRR, EOD, and ND can be male or female.

Those with a recruit in an 800 Division need to be especially aware of OPSEC and PERSEC. (See OPSEC and PERSEC (Making Changes to Your Profile) for more information and make any changes at the bottom of that Page that you need to make. Changes 1 and 2 will tell you how to remove your name or that of your recruit from your Username and URL for your profile page and offers suggestions for making your Profile Page less obvious as to your identity and that of your recruit/Sailor and his/her special ops status, such as changing the zip code so that it does not reflect your hometown and not mentioning the rating that your recruit/Sailor is contracted for. Change 3 will tell you how to fix your Privacy settings--I suggest "Just My Friends." Change 4 deals with your profile picture--don't include one with your SR's face and to be even safer, don't use your own picture or that of any person who is associated with your recruit/Sailor.) It may be a good idea if you lurk within some groups and not post. Although there is a discussion within each PIR group for the 800 division/s that does not mean that you have to participate in it. N4M is not a private site and ANYONE with access to the internet can come on the site and see what is posted, so post very little about your recruit and later Sailor. There are groups on fB for the PIR groups and even some groups related to special ops training; it would a good idea to avoid those groups because if you join those groups, your profile information will be readily associated with someone who is a candidate for a special ops rating, including your name and hometown. (I delete comments on this page from people who indicate that they have a recruit in an 800 division once I have reason to believe that the question or comment has been answered or acknowledged.)

While s/he's in BC, if someone asks for his/her rating, you can mention that s/he will stay in GL (or will fly out) after PIR and just avoid the question. Later, you can truthfully say, "I don't know much about it."

If a recruit with a contract for a special ops rating arrives at MEPS and fails something (such as the vision screening) that is a requirement for special ops, but does not prevent him from being eligible for another rating, then that will be noted in the recruit's file and the recruit will be assigned to a regular division upon arrival at the RTC. The recruit will later meet with the detailer and will be given a new contract for a different rating that s/he qualifies for.

If a recruit in a regular division displays exceptional potential for special ops, s/he can be singled out and invited to attend PT and swim sessions to see if this may be something s/he is interested in. The choice to accept or decline the invitation is always his/hers. If the recruit accepts the invitation, s/he then remains with his/her same division, but attends the extra sessions with an 800 division. If it is determined that the recruit is suited for a special ops rating, then s/he will be offered a new contract, which s/he can choose to accept or decline.

Sometimes a recruit who was assigned to an 800 division will be removed from the division for various reasons, often related to the first PFA (physical fitness assessment). The recruit may also choose to Drop on Request (DOR) if s/he no longer feels that special ops is appropriate for him/her. When that happens the recruit will be placed in a regular division and later will meet with the detailer and will be given a new contract for a different rating that s/he qualifies for. Sometimes when this happens, the recruit will call a loved one to say that s/he has been moved to another division and that his/her address has changed. This is known as being ASMO'd (Assignment Memorandum; a change in what is happening with the recruit). This usually does not affect the PIR date, but if it does, you will be notified of that as well. If the PIR date does change, be sure to get the password to get the vehicle/gate pass because it will be different than the one for the previous date and you will not be able to drive onto the RTC without the vehicle/gate pass.

When recruits are ASMO'd, whether it's to go to SEPS to go home, to go to the RCU to recover from a sickness or injury, or to go to another division, the RDC most likely will say that the recruit has been ASMO'd and the others in the division will not know what has happened unless they happen to see him at the RTC during the course of training or at PIR or sometime later in the Fleet. This is due to confidentiality and/or HIPAA requirements. 

Many of the Sailors who were in an 800 division will stay at the Training Support Center (TSC) at Great Lakes following PIR for training prior to flying out for the next part of their training--only AIRR does not. See PIR Day and Liberty During PIR Weekend to help you know how to plan your weekend.

Aviation Rescue Swimmers (AIRR) candidates fly out to Pensacola, FL to Naval Air Station Pensacola, usually the day after PIR, where they first attend Naval Aircrew Candidate School (NACCS). Other groups you will want to join if your recruit is a candidate for this rating are Sailors In Pensacola, FL For A School....Corry Station too!! and Parents of A School Sailors in Pensacola. For those with a husband or wife with this rating, check out Spouses of Sailors going to A-school in P-cola. See PIR Day and Liberty During PIR Weekend to help you know how to plan your weekend.

The address to write to your SR is:

SR LAST NAME, FIRST NAME MI

SHIP 04 DIV 8XX

3600 OHIO STREET

GREAT LAKES IL 60088-7103

Here are some of the groups and the links for the Rating Information Cards associated with Special Ops ratings:

SEAL Groups:  Pre-BUD/S Moms      SEAL Moms      (Future or Present Navy Seals) Girlfriends, Fiancees & Wives

SEAL Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/so.pdf

SEALs info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/seals.html

Navy Diver Group: Mom's of Navy Divers      Mom's of Navy Diver Recruits

Navy Diver Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/nd.pdf

Navy Diver info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/diver.html

SWCC Groups: SWCC      SWCC Invitational      Headed for SWCC

SWCC Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/sb.pdf 

SWCC info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/swcc.html

AIRR Group: Moms of Aviation Rescue Swimmers      USN Search and Rescue Swimmer Moms      AIRCREW

AIRR Rating Information Cards: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/aircrew.pdf

AIRR candidates will be assigned to a rating of Naval Aircrewman -Tactical Helicopter (AWR) or Naval Aircrewman - Helicopter (AWS) while in Naval Aircrew Candidate School (NACCS). Assignments will be based on the applicant's test scores, personal desires, needs of the Navy, and continued eligibility for the aircrew program.

     AWR: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/awr.pdf

     AWS: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/aws.pdf

AIRR info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/air-rescue.html

EOD Group: EOD

EOD Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/eod.pdf

EOD info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/eod.html

Some people leave groups that they have previously joined and then rejoin them after joining the group/s for the rating so that the group/s for the rating are not on their profile page when others visit. You would need to have at least 5 extra groups if you do this. (Suggestions include Boot Camp Moms (and loved ones), your DEP group, your PIR group, Letter-Writing Navy Moms, PIR Reference Information, a group for your state, a group for a hobby, Molly's Adopt A Sailor, Care Package Ideas, or any other group that interests you.) Members would then have to click "View All" in order to see all of the groups when they visit your profile page. If you leave a group, be sure to add a group if needed to always have 5 groups on your My page that are not related to your SR's/Sailor's rating.

See http://sofrep.com/10103/becoming-a-navy-seal-swcc/ and http://www.sealswcc.com/ for more information.

If I have used a term or abbreviation that is unclear, What does ??? mean?  (A Guide to Navy Abbreviations and Terminology) should help; if not, please ask because if you have a question, someone else most likely does as well.


Here are the current groups that contain an 800 Division:

PIR 08/08/2014 TG 39 - 10 Divisions (239-246, 817, and 939)  (817)

PIR 09/19/2014 TG 45 -10 Divisions (291-298, 818, and 945)  (818)

PIR 09/26/2014 TG 46 - 9 Divisions (299-304, 819, 820, and 946)  (819 and 820)

900 Divisions

There is almost always a 900 Division in every TG. The 1 April 2011 TG did not have a 900 Division of its own. Sometimes there can be two or even three in one TG if RTC skips a week of PIR. One of the divisions will usually reflect the TG number, but not always. If there is more than one 900 Division, then they will be Brother Divisions. The 900 Divisions begin with Division 901, the division that begins training in the first week of October when the Navy fiscal year begins, and end with Division 952.

Once the recruits arrive, those with the Musician (MU) rating and volunteers who have prior music experience (band, choir, or other musical training) or drill team experience may join a 900 division. There are others who will be chosen for the 900 division by the RDC's during P-days or the first few weeks of BC. These recruits did not have a Musician rating or prior band/music or drill experience, but showed some aptitude for performance, such as military bearing. This is especially true for those chosen to be part of Ship Staff. Recruits with relatively high ASVAB scores have a better chance of being in a 900 division than those with lower scores since they will be better able to keep up with everything that is required of them than those with lower scores. The Recruits in a 900 division can have contracts for any rating except for those that are in an 800 division. Once assigned to the division, these recruits go through the same training as other divisions in addition to performance duties. They practice on Saturdays beginning with the Saturday after the division forms and sometimes (rarely) on Sunday afternoons if the need arises for an extra practice. From week 1 DOT (after p-week) until week 4, they practice every Saturday from 3:00 or 4:00 pm to 6:00 pm. Then beginning the Saturday going into week 5, they also practice on Monday and Wednesday and do a run through on Thursday, then they perform in the real PIR on Friday if there is one that week. They usually perform in two graduations before doing their own. The 900 divisions go through Battle Stations-21 alone, with another 900 division if there are 2 or more 900 divisions in the TG, with the 800 division/s, or with a pair of brother divisions from the regular divisions.

There are 3 types of 900 divisions. There are the Band/Bluejacket Choir/Drill team, otherwise known as Triple Threat (the musicians, singers, and drill team), the Sticks (those who carry the state flags), and the Ship Staff/Honor Guard (the body snatchers, those who guard various things...). Three 900 divisions perform their duties at each PIR, the 900 division(s) from that TG and if needed one to three 900 divisions from the next one or two TG's. Each 900 Division performs in their own PIR and usually in the PIR for one or two TG's ahead of their own if there is not a 900 division of the same type to perform in the TG/TG's. They may also have performances in the community--that happens mainly for the Triple Threat and Color Guard though. Those in a 900 division wear yellow/gold braided cords (ropes) called aiguillettes on their left shoulders with their dress blues and blue aiguillettes with their dress whites. This helps others to know that they have responsibilities to fulfill during PIR.

You may want to join the Group, 900's division sailors. There will be information on there that relates to your situation. Here is a site I found that explains about 900 Divisions, The Requirements for the Navy RTC 900 Division.

Watch the RTC’s fB page beginning 2 weeks before your SR’s PIR and you may catch a glimpse of your SR, but know that not all of the PIR ceremonies are photographed, so don't be disappointed if you do not see your SR. You will also want to watch the RTC's live stream of PIR beginning 2 weeks before your SR's PIR. The RTC streams PIR live beginning at 8:45 am CST on the day of PIR at http://www.livestream.com/usnavyrtc or http://navylive.dodlive.mil/. Check for any streams of the practices for PIR as well. They will also have the videos saved on there for a short time if people were unable to watch live or if you want to stop it to check out a particular recruit or Sailor more closely.

The PIR ceremony is conducted, with help, from the graduating 900 Division/s and one/two Jr. Divisions in their 7th and 6th week of training. Each incoming 900 division is assigned one of the responsibilities listed below, on a constantly rotating basis.

Ship Staff is in charge on PIR day. They greet and welcome the Officers and their distinguished guests as Sideboys. They play the role of "Body Snatcher" walking up and down the rows of Sailors, watching for and sometimes catching any Sailor about to or going down. (They lock their knees sometimes and pass out.) They help the Navy Corpsmen in the back room. They guard doors and perform a myriad of tasks behind the scenes and in front, such as directing people and helping those who require a wheelchair. It is their job to help make sure all goes smoothly. The Honor Guard Drill Team also does a rifle performance at the beginning of the ceremony.
 
Sticks (Flags) does an incredible march perfectly timed and executed to the drum corps cadence. It is their job to present the flags for every state in the union. They are lined up by height, so the flow looks better, so your recruit will probably not get to carry his/her home state flag. They also honor those who have gone before by presenting the POW and MIA flags, as well as the US flag and the US Navy flag in the Color Guard.

Triple Threat is comprised of those who are on that week's Rifle Drill team and all those who were chosen for their musical abilities. The Blue Jacket Choir performs the National Anthem, Anchors Aweigh and anything else they've been tasked with. The band plays at various times throughout the ceremony. The Drum Corps also marches and helps everyone else stay in step and keep time.

The address to write to your SR is:

SR LAST NAME, FIRST NAME MI 
SHIP 02 DIV 9XX

3600 OHIO STREET
GREAT LAKES IL 60088-7105  (60088-3156 will also work)

Is there an advantage to being in a 900 Division? It all depends on your point of view. Loved ones may catch a glimpse of the recruit in photos posted on the RTC’s fB page. The recruits in a 900 division get to interact with civilians more than those in a regular division if they are at extra PIR’s or events in the community. The recruits often begin working together as a team faster than those in a regular division, but not always. There is extra work involved since these recruits go through the same training that those in a regular division do as well as having the practices for PIR. There is nothing special after BC tied to being in a 900 division.

What do the "extras" in a 900 Division do? There are extras in each 900 division. They train just like everyone else in the division. They must be ready if called upon to take the place of a recruit who is sick or injured or who is otherwise unable to perform. Some of the extras help to clean the stands, Drill Hall, rooms used for preparation.... Some will be in charge of setting things up and putting things away before and after PIR. (If you have a recruit who is one of the extras, please let me know what else the "extras" do. Thanks.)

Here are the current 900 Divisions:

939: Ship Staff/Honor Guard: PIR 08/08/2014 TG 39 - 10 Divisions (239-246, 817, and 939)  

(Division 939 will also perform their duties during the 07/25/2014 PIR and the 08/01/2014 PIR.)

940: Sticks (Flags): PIR 08/15/2014 TG 40 - 9 Divisions (247-254 and 940)

(Division 940 will also perform during the 08/01/2014 PIR and the 08/08/2014 PIR.)

941: Triple Threat: PIR 08/22/2014 TG 41 - 11 Divisions (255-264 and 941)

(Division 941 will also perform during the 08/08/2014 PIR and the 08/15/2014 PIR.)

942: Ship Staff/Honor Guard: PIR 08/29/2014 TG 42 - 9 Divisions (265-272 and 942)  

(Division 942 will also perform their duties during the 08/15/2014 PIR and 08/22/2014 PIR.)

943: Sticks (Flags): PIR 09/05/2014 TG 43 - 9 Divisions (273-280 and 943) 

(Division 943 will also perform during the 08/22/2014 PIR and the 08/29/2014 PIR.)

944: Triple Threat: PIR 09/12/2014 TG 44 - 11 Divisions (281-290 and 944)

(Division 944 will also perform during the 08/29/2014 PIR and the 09/05/2014 PIR.)

945: Ship Staff/Honor Guard: PIR 09/19/2014 TG 45 -10 Divisions (291-298, 818, and 945) 

(Division 945 will also perform their duties during the 09/05/2014 PIR and 09/12/2014 PIR.)

946: Sticks (Flags): PIR 09/26/2014 TG 46 - 9 Divisions (299-304, 819, 820, and 946)  

(Division 946 will also perform during the 09/12/2014 PIR and the 09/19/2014 PIR.)

947: Triple Threat: PIR 10/03/2014 TG 47

(Division 947 will also perform during the 09/19/2014 PIR and the 09/26/2014 PIR.)

948: Ship Staff/Honor Guard: PIR 10/10/2014 TG 48

(Division 948 will also perform their duties during the 09/26/2014 PIR and 10/03/2014 PIR.)

949: Sticks (Flags):

950: Triple Threat:

The above information is provided by lemonelephant, the mom of a Sailor.

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Comment by lemonelephant on August 9, 2014 at 11:47pm

sumersmom, :o)

Comment by sumersmom on August 9, 2014 at 11:44am
It is 946 the recruiter gave me 964. I got my daughters graduation info today in the mail. It was just a little mix up. Everything's good now. Thank you for responding.
Comment by lemonelephant on August 8, 2014 at 4:10pm

sumersmom, check your My Page.

Comment by lemonelephant on August 8, 2014 at 4:10pm

sumersmom, you recruit is in Division 946. There will never be a 900 Division with a number higher than 952 since there are only 52 weeks in a calendar year. It is best to wait on the form letter before sending letters.

Comment by sumersmom on August 8, 2014 at 1:32pm

Just found out from recruiter my daughter is in division 964 I don't see that on the list. She just left last week. What duties will she be doing?

Comment by lemonelephant on August 8, 2014 at 12:03am

:o)

Comment by LAXMOM12 on August 7, 2014 at 11:52am

This is such amazing news! My son is in DIV 945! I'm excited he will have such an honored roll in PIR! WOW! 

Comment by lemonelephant on June 27, 2014 at 5:01pm

Remember that some will be "Extras" and have other duties. If that applies to any of your recruits, please let me know some of the other things that those recruits do. I have some things listed above, but there may be more.

Comment by lemonelephant on June 27, 2014 at 3:33pm

jappyj, make sure you find out what flag she will carry, if one, so you will be able to spot her in the Live Streams and then at PIR.

Comment by jappyjShip 02/ Div 940 on June 27, 2014 at 3:29pm

My daughter is in Div 940 I have been thru boot camp in October with my son but I didn't even know my daughter would be in a performing division I am so excited for her!!!

Comment by lemonelephant on June 25, 2014 at 11:49pm

Sierrascrapper, yes, Division 941 has either already been formed or will be filled next week, so it is possible that he could end up in it. You'll just have to wait and see. He could end up in Division 942 if 941 is already filled.

Comment by Sierrascrapper Ship 11 Div 267 on June 25, 2014 at 10:34pm

So I'm trying to figure out which performing division will be forming for the recruits going in this week.  It looks like they are probably forming the Triple Threat division for those arriving this week. My son leaves on Tuesday next week and I'm just wondering if maybe he'll get the chance to still be in that division.  He has expressed interest in the 900 division since he was in the marching band in high school.  

No biggie if he doesn't, I'm just curious.  I can't believe he's finally going to BC after just over a year of being in DEP.

Comment by NavyMom5.7 on June 15, 2014 at 5:08pm
Proudnavymom90, my daughter told me she was excited to be in division 934. She played the drums (in junior high). She will be playing the cymbals for PIR. Knowing that she'll be performing in two PIRs before her own makes me happy - I may have the opportunity to "see" her sooner than July 3rd.
Comment by lemonelephant on June 13, 2014 at 7:49am
Nicksmom, 938 is a Triple Threat division. He may have volunteered or was voluntold to be in the division. Most in a Triple Threat division learn to work together faster than those in the regular divisions. Don't go borrowing trouble. Look at the positives and be encouraging in your letters. Don't bring up disappointment because he may not be disappointed. His maturity and musical background will benefit him and the division.
Comment by proundnavymom90 on June 12, 2014 at 9:18pm

Just found out my son is Division 938, not sure why?? he was in marching band but I know this is NOT something he wanted to do in the navy his rate is not MU,  this has me worried and the instrument he played is not even listed and the instruments in the band, he is not coming out of high school he has been attending college for 3 years prior to enlisting. I am kind of worried now more than ever that he is disappointed :( I thought getting the letter would relieve my worry now it has been increased.

Comment by Russmama93 on February 19, 2014 at 6:08pm
Hi all!! My son is Ship 02 Div 920!!! God bless you and my prayers are always with our SR's and Sailors!!
Comment by lemonelephant on February 8, 2014 at 4:41pm

Filnavymom, your Sailor will find you. Don't worry. Ask your recruit in a letter if there is a particular place you should head for--the back wall under the large screen, near the large door that the divisions march through, stay seated on the bottom row of the bleachers, or go to the NEX or Building 1326 at the RTC Recreation Center..... Your Sailor will have some things to take care of after PIR so be patient.

Comment by Filnavymom on February 7, 2014 at 7:56pm

I was watching the PIR live stream and was wondering where do the performing division, say Flags, go after

the ceremony? It seems it will be difficult to meet your SR after PIR if he/she is performing cause they dont have a designated place like other divisions? Any advise?

Comment by lemonelephant on January 7, 2014 at 4:52pm

MaKaylas Mom, yes, once the date is set that does not change for the division. Some recruits in the division may not have PIR on that date, but except in an extreme case, the division will have PIR on that date. If your recruit has not indicated a problem (she will call if there is a problem that would prevent or delay PIR), then she is on track to have PIR on 02/07/2014.

Comment by MaKaylas Mom on January 7, 2014 at 8:48am
Thank you. Do you know for sure if division 914 us still set fir PIR on 02/07 ?

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