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800 and 900 Divisions

800 Divisions

Once the recruits arrive, those with contracts as candidates to Naval Special Warfare operator ratings are moved aside to be in the 800 division/s. Those ratings are SEALs or Special Warfare Operator (SO), Navy Diver (ND), Special Warfare Boat Operator (SB) or Special Warfare Combatant – craft Crewman (SWCC), Aviation Rescue Swimmers (AIRR), and Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD). There are usually only 25 or fewer 800 divisions a year, so not every TG will have one, but some TG's will have one or two 800 divisions. We often see that loved ones of those in an 800 division receive "the box" and the form letter on the same day or within a day or so of each other and sometimes the form letter comes before "the box" because these divisions do not have to wait for P-days to be over to be formed since the recruits in these divisions are determined by their contracts before arrival. Those in an 800 division do the same training that recruits in regular divisions go through and then they have a second PT (physical training) time each day when PT is scheduled so they have PT in the morning and in the afternoon. They also have regularly scheduled time at the pool for training in addition to the times that they would have pool time if they were in a regular division. They may learn and be tested in the Combat Swimmer Stroke (CSS) or be able to test using a freestyle stroke depending on the field they are going into. The SR's in an 800 division can receive an extra ration of food around midnight at the galley if they want it due to the extra calories that they burn due to the physical training that they go through. These recruits are not permitted to work out except during PT or IT (intensive training; extra PT given as a corrective action). The 800 divisions go through Battle Stations-21 (BST) alone, with another 800 division if there are 2 or more 800 divisions in the TG, with the 900 division/s, or with a pair of brother divisions from the regular divisions. We often think of the 800 divisions as being all male divisions and most of the year that is true, but there are integrated 800 divisions at times because candidates for AIRR, EOD, and ND can be male or female.

 

Those with a recruit in an 800 Division need to be especially aware of OPSEC and PERSEC. (See OPSEC and PERSEC (Making Changes to Your Profile) for more information and make any changes at the bottom of that Page that you need to make. Changes 1 and 2 will tell you how to remove your name or that of your recruit from your Username and URL for your profile page and offers suggestions for making your Profile Page less obvious as to your identity and that of your recruit/Sailor and his/her special ops status, such as changing the zip code so that it does not reflect your hometown and not mentioning the rating that your recruit/Sailor is contracted for. Change 3 will tell you how to fix your Privacy settings--I suggest "Just My Friends." Change 4 deals with your profile picture--don't include one with your SR's face and to be even safer, don't use your own picture or that of any person who is associated with your recruit/Sailor.) It may be a good idea if you lurk within some groups and not post. Although there is a discussion within each PIR group for the 800 division/s, that does not mean that you have to participate in it. N4M is not a private site and ANYONE with access to the internet can come on the site and see what is posted, so post very little about your recruit and later Sailor. There are groups on fB for the PIR groups and even some groups related to special ops training; it would a good idea to avoid those groups because if you join those groups, your profile information will be readily associated with someone who is a candidate for a special ops rating, including your name and hometown. (I delete comments on this page from people who indicate that they have a recruit in an 800 division once I have reason to believe that the question or comment has been answered or acknowledged.)

 

If a recruit with a contract for a special ops rating arrives at MEPS and fails something (such as the vision screening) that is a requirement for special ops, but does not prevent him from being eligible for another rating, then that will be noted in the recruit's file and the recruit will be assigned to a regular division upon arrival at the RTC. The recruit will later meet with the Career Counselor and will be given a new contract for a different rating that s/he qualifies for or a contract within the Professional Apprenticeship Career Tracks (PACT) Program if there are no contracts for a rating available. New contracts are based on the needs of the Navy and what is available at the time. Contracts for new ratings become available if a recruit or a soon to ship future Sailor with a contract for a rating is no longer eligible for the contract.

 

If a recruit in a regular division displays exceptional potential for special ops, s/he can be singled out and invited to attend PT and swim sessions to see if this may be something s/he is interested in. The choice to accept or decline the invitation is always his/hers. If the recruit accepts the invitation, s/he then remains with his/her same division, but attends the extra sessions with an 800 division. If it is determined that the recruit is suited for a special ops rating, then s/he will be offered a new contract, which s/he can choose to accept or decline.

 

Sometimes a recruit who was assigned to an 800 division will be removed from the division for various reasons, often related to the first PFA (physical fitness assessment). The recruit may also choose to Drop on Request (DOR) if s/he no longer feels that special ops is appropriate for him/her. When that happens the recruit will be placed in a regular division and later will meet with the Career Counselor and will be given a new contract for a different rating that s/he qualifies for or a contract within the Professional Apprenticeship Career Tracks (PACT) Program if there are no contracts for a rating available or if the recruit is unwilling to accept a contract for a particular rating. Sometimes when this happens, the recruit will call a loved one to say that s/he has been moved to another division and that his/her address has changed. This is known as being ASMO'd (Assignment Memorandum; a change in what is happening with the recruit). This usually does not affect the PIR date, but if it does, you will be notified of that as well. If the PIR date does change, be sure to get the password to get the vehicle/gate pass because it will be different than the one for the previous date and you will not be able to drive onto the RTC without the vehicle/gate pass. Sailors can apply for special ops after serving for two years under the new contract if they wish to try again.

 

When recruits are ASMO'd, whether it's to go to SEPS to go home, to go to the RCU to recover from a sickness or injury, or to go to another division, the RDC most likely will say that the recruit has been ASMO'd and the others in the division will not know what has happened unless they happen to see him at the RTC during the course of training or at PIR or sometime later in the Fleet. This is due to confidentiality and/or HIPAA requirements. 

 

Many of the Sailors who were in an 800 division will stay at the Training Support Center (TSC) at Great Lakes following PIR for training prior to flying out for the next part of their training--only AIRR does not. See PIR Day and Liberty During PIR Weekend to help you know how to plan your weekend.

 

Aviation Rescue Swimmers (AIRR) candidates fly out to Pensacola, FL to Naval Air Station Pensacola, usually the day after PIR, where they first attend Naval Aircrew Candidate School (NACCS). Other groups you will want to join if your recruit is a candidate for this rating are Sailors In Pensacola, FL For A School....Corry Station too!! and Parents of A School Sailors in Pensacola. For those with a husband or wife with this rating, check out Spouses of Sailors going to A-school in P-cola. See PIR Day and Liberty During PIR Weekend to help you know how to plan your weekend.

 

The address to write to your SR is:

SR LAST NAME, FIRST NAME  MI

SHIP 04 DIV 8XX

3600 OHIO STREET

GREAT LAKES IL 60088-7103

 

Here are some of the groups and the links for the Rating Information Cards associated with Special Ops ratings:

SEAL Groups:  Pre-BUD/S Moms      SEAL Moms      (Future or Present Navy Seals) Girlfriends, Fiancees & Wives

SEAL Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/so.pdf

SEALs info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/seals.html

Navy Diver Group: Mom's of Navy Divers      Mom's of Navy Diver Recruits

Navy Diver Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/nd.pdf

Navy Diver info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/diver.html

SWCC Groups: SWCC      SWCC Invitational      Headed for SWCC

SWCC Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/sb.pdf 

SWCC info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/swcc.html

AIRR Group: Moms of Aviation Rescue Swimmers      USN Search and Rescue Swimmer Moms      AIRCREW

AIRR Rating Information Cards: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/aircrew.pdf

AIRR candidates will be assigned to a rating of Naval Aircrewman -Tactical Helicopter (AWR) or Naval Aircrewman - Helicopter (AWS) while in Naval Aircrew Candidate School (NACCS). Assignments will be based on the applicant's test scores, personal desires, needs of the Navy, and continued eligibility for the aircrew program.

     AWR: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/awr.pdf

     AWS: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/aws.pdf

AIRR info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/air-rescue.html

EOD Group: EOD

EOD Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/enlisted/rating_info_cards/eod.pdf

EOD info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/eod.html

 

Some people leave groups that they have previously joined and then rejoin them after joining the group/s for the rating so that the group/s for the rating are not on their profile page when others visit. You would need to have at least 5 extra groups if you do this. (Suggestions include Boot Camp Moms (and loved ones), your DEP group, your PIR group, PIR Reference Information, a group for your state, a group for a hobby, Molly's Adopt A Sailor, Care Package Ideas, or any other group that interests you.) Members would then have to click "View All" in order to see all of the groups when they visit your profile page.

 

See http://sofrep.com/10103/becoming-a-navy-seal-swcc/ and http://www.sealswcc.com/ for more information.


If I have used a term or abbreviation that is unclear, What does ??? mean?  (A Guide to Navy Abbreviations and Terminology) should help; if not, please ask because if you have a question, someone else most likely does as well.


Here are the current groups that contain an 800 Division:

PIR: 05/16/2014 TG 27 - 9 Divisions (171-176, 812, 813, and 927) (812 and 813)

 

900 Divisions

There is almost always a 900 Division in every TG. The 1 April 2011 TG did not have a 900 Division of its own. Sometimes there can be two or even three in one TG if RTC skips a week of PIR. One of the divisions will usually reflect the TG number, but not always. If there is more than one 900 Division, then they will be Brother Divisions.

 

Once the recruits arrive, those with the Musician (MU) rating and volunteers who have prior music experience (band, choir, or other musical training) or drill team experience may join a 900 division. There are others who will be chosen for the 900 division by the RDC's during P-days or the first few weeks of BC. These recruits did not have a Musician rating or prior band/music or drill experience, but showed some aptitude for performance, such as military bearing. This is especially true for those chosen to be part of Ship Staff. Recruits with relatively high ASVAB scores have a better chance of being in a 900 division than those with lower scores since they will be better able to keep up with everything that is required of them than those with lower scores. The Recruits in a 900 division can have contracts for any rating except for those that are in an 800 division. Once assigned to the division, these recruits go through the same training as other divisions in addition to performance duties. They practice on Saturdays beginning with the Saturday after the division forms and sometimes (rarely) on Sunday afternoons if the need arises for an extra practice. From week 1 DOT (after p-week) until week 4, they practice every Saturday from 3:00 or 4:00 pm to 6:00 pm. Then beginning the Saturday going into week 5, they also practice on Monday and Wednesday and do a run through on Thursday, then they perform in the real PIR on Friday if there is one that week. They usually perform in two graduations before doing their own. The 900 divisions go through Battle Stations-21 (BST) alone, with another 900 division if there are 2 or more 900 divisions in the TG, with the 800 division/s, or with a pair of brother divisions from the regular divisions.

 

There are 3 types of 900 divisions. There are the Band/Bluejacket Choir/Drill team, otherwise known as Triple Threat (the musicians, singers, and drill team), the Sticks (those who carry the state flags), and the Ship Staff/Honor Guard (the body snatchers, those who guard various things...). Three 900 divisions perform their duties at each PIR, the 900 division(s) from that TG and if needed one to three 900 divisions from the next one or two TG's. Each 900 Division performs in their own PIR and usually in the PIR for one or two TG's ahead of their own if there is not a 900 division of the same type to perform in the TG/TG's. They may also have performances in the community--that happens mainly for the Triple Threat and Color Guard though. Those in a 900 division wear yellow/gold braided cords (ropes) called aiguillettes on their left shoulders with their dress blues and blue aiguillettes with their dress whites. This helps others to know that they have responsibilities to fulfill during PIR.

 

You may want to join the Group, 900's division sailors. There will be information on there that relates to your situation. Here is a site I found that explains about 900 Divisions, The Requirements for the Navy RTC 900 Division.

 

Watch the RTC’s fB page beginning 2 weeks before your SR’s PIR and you may catch a glimpse of your SR, but know that not all of the PIR ceremonies are photographed, so don't be disappointed if you do not see your SR. You will also want to watch the RTC's live stream of PIR beginning 2 weeks before your SR's PIR. The RTC streams PIR live beginning at 8:45 am CST on the day of PIR at http://www.livestream.com/usnavyrtc or http://navylive.dodlive.mil/. Check for any streams of the practices for PIR as well. They will also have the videos saved on there for a short time if people were unable to watch live or if you want to stop it to check out a particular recruit or Sailor more closely.

 

The PIR ceremony is conducted, with help, from the graduating 900 Division/s and one/two Jr. Divisions in their 7th and 6th week of training. Each incoming 900 division is assigned one of the responsibilities listed below, on a constantly rotating basis.

Ship Staff is in charge on PIR day. They greet and welcome the Officers and their distinguished guests as Sideboys. They play the role of "Body Snatcher" walking up and down the rows of Sailors, watching for and sometimes catching any Sailor about to or going down. (They lock their knees sometimes and pass out.) They help the Navy Corpsmen in the back room. They guard doors and perform a myriad of tasks behind the scenes and in front, such as directing people and helping those who require a wheelchair. It is their job to help make sure all goes smoothly. The Honor Guard Drill Team also does a rifle performance at the beginning of the ceremony.
 
Sticks (Flags) does an incredible march perfectly timed and executed to the drum corps cadence. It is their job to present the flags for every state in the union. They are lined up by height, so the flow looks better, so your recruit will probably not get to carry his/her home state flag. They also honor those who have gone before by presenting the POW and MIA flags, as well as the US flag and the US Navy flag in the Color Guard.

Triple Threat is comprised of those who are on that week's Rifle Drill team and all those who were chosen for their musical abilities. The Blue Jacket Choir performs the National Anthem, Anchors Aweigh and anything else they've been tasked with. The band plays at various times throughout the ceremony. The Drum Corps also marches and helps everyone else stay in step and keep time.

 

The address to write to your SR is:

SR LAST NAME, FIRST NAME  MI 
SHIP 02 DIV 9XX

3600 OHIO STREET
GREAT LAKES IL 60088-7105  (60088-3156 will also work)

 

Is there an advantage to being in a 900 Division? It all depends on your point of view. Loved ones may catch a glimpse of the recruit in photos posted on the RTC’s fB page. The recruits in a 900 division get to interact with civilians more than those in a regular division if they are at extra PIR’s or events in the community. The recruits often begin working together as a team faster than those in a regular division, but not always. There is extra work involved since these recruits go through the same training that those in a regular division do as well as having the practices for PIR. There is nothing special after BC tied to being in a 900 division.

What do the "extras" in a 900 Division do? There are extras in each 900 division. They train just like everyone else in the division. They must be ready if called upon to take the place of a recruit who is sick or injured or who is otherwise unable to perform. Some of the extras help to clean the stands, Drill Hall, rooms used for preparation.... Some will be in charge of setting things up and putting things away before and after PIR. (If you have a recruit who is one of the extras, please let me know what else the "extras" do. Thanks.)

 

Here are the current 900 Divisions:

923: Triple Threat: PIR 04/18/2014 TG 23 - 7 Divisions (143-148 and 923)

(Division 923 will also perform during the 04/04/2014 PIR and the 04/18/2014 PIR.)

924: Ship Staff/Honor Guard: PIR 04/25/2014 TG 24 - 9 Divisions (149-156 and 924)

(Division 924 will also perform their duties during the 04/11/2014 PIR and the 04/18/2014 PIR.)

925: Sticks (Flags): PIR 05/02/2014 TG 25 - 9 Divisions (157-164 and 925)

(Division 925 will also perform during the 04/18/2014 PIR and the 04/25/2014 PIR.)

926: Triple Threat: PIR 05/09/2014 TG 26 - 7 Divisions (165-170 and 926)

(Division 926 will also perform during the 04/25/2014 PIR and the 05/02/2014 PIR.)

927: Ship Staff/Honor Guard: PIR: 05/16/2014 TG 27 - 9 Divisions (171-176, 812, 813, and 927)

(Division 927 will also perform their duties during the 05/02/2014 PIR and the 05/09/2014 PIR.)

928: Sticks (Flags):  PIR 05/23/2014 TG 28 - 7 Divisions (177-182 and 928)

(Division 928 will also perform during the 05/09/2014 PIR and the 05/16/2014 PIR.)

929: Triple Threat: PIR 05/30/2014 TG 29

(Division 929 will also perform during the 05/16/2014 PIR and the 05/23/2014 PIR.)

930: Ship Staff/Honor Guard: PIR 06/06/2014 TG 29

(Division 930 will also perform their duties during the 05/23/2014 PIR and the 05/30/2014 PIR.)

931: Sticks (Flags):

932: Triple Threat:

The above information is provided by lemonelephant, the mom of a Sailor.

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Comment by Russmama93 on February 19, 2014 at 6:08pm
Hi all!! My son is Ship 02 Div 920!!! God bless you and my prayers are always with our SR's and Sailors!!
Comment by lemonelephant on February 8, 2014 at 4:41pm

Filnavymom, your Sailor will find you. Don't worry. Ask your recruit in a letter if there is a particular place you should head for--the back wall under the large screen, near the large door that the divisions march through, stay seated on the bottom row of the bleachers, or go to the NEX or Building 1326 at the RTC Recreation Center..... Your Sailor will have some things to take care of after PIR so be patient.

Comment by Filnavymom on February 7, 2014 at 7:56pm

I was watching the PIR live stream and was wondering where do the performing division, say Flags, go after

the ceremony? It seems it will be difficult to meet your SR after PIR if he/she is performing cause they dont have a designated place like other divisions? Any advise?

Comment by lemonelephant on January 7, 2014 at 4:52pm

MaKaylas Mom, yes, once the date is set that does not change for the division. Some recruits in the division may not have PIR on that date, but except in an extreme case, the division will have PIR on that date. If your recruit has not indicated a problem (she will call if there is a problem that would prevent or delay PIR), then she is on track to have PIR on 02/07/2014.

Comment by MaKaylas Mom on January 7, 2014 at 8:48am
Thank you. Do you know for sure if division 914 us still set fir PIR on 02/07 ?
Comment by lemonelephant on January 5, 2014 at 11:21pm

MaKaylas Mom, TG 13 is the training group that began training in the 13th week of the Navy's fiscal year, which began in October. See Ship/Division--How it Works.

Comment by MaKaylas Mom on January 5, 2014 at 10:24pm
What does the TG 13 mean on division 913 and 914.
Comment by lemonelephant on December 6, 2013 at 11:38pm

Kayla, I'm glad you found it helpful

Comment by lemonelephant on October 25, 2013 at 5:43pm

pixie, no, all Nukes are not automatically placed in a 900 division. Yes, there is sometimes a high number of Nukes in Ship Staff/Honor Guard (this is because ASVAB scores are sometimes used to help make the sort and Nukes have high ASVAB scores), but no,all Nukes are not placed in a 900 division. The only automatic sort to a 900 division is MU. There will never be anyone with a special ops rating in a 900 division (they are in an 800 division), but otherwise 900 divisions are made up of recruits with contracts for a wide variety of ratings. See Ship/Division--How it Works.

Comment by pixie on October 25, 2013 at 1:11pm

My son is in Division 906...interesting to read what some of their duties are!  Does anyone know if the recruits going Nuclear automatically get placed in a 900 division?

Comment by lemonelephant on October 24, 2013 at 7:16pm

wendy.from.oregon, Sounds like she has a job she has experience with already. They don't carry flags in Triple Threat except when they are actually marching in formation.

Comment by wendy.from.oregon on October 24, 2013 at 6:47pm

She told me she would be cleaning bleachers after graduations :) I laughed! Her dad always had her do that after football games. She'll be good at it. hahahaha

She was also in Search and Rescue thru our county which was run by Marines. She is used to the marching, etc. Maybe they'll figure that out and have her carry a flag?

Comment by lemonelephant on October 24, 2013 at 6:40pm

daylec, thanks for the confirmation. I know there are always extras in each 900 division who don't "perform" but no one has ever told me what they do. Perhaps now we have a clue.

Comment by daylec on October 24, 2013 at 6:24pm

As far as I know 905 is the Triple Threat division.  Our son is a musician as well as others that I have spoken with in that group. Maybe they needed more recruits to fill the division so they had to look outside just those musically talented. and thought athletes might be easier to train, just guessing on that last part

Comment by lemonelephant on October 24, 2013 at 5:40pm

wendy.from.oregon, sounds like she is in Ship Staff, which means that I may be off on the Triple Threat for Divison 905. Let me know if you find out anything else.

Comment by wendy.from.oregon on October 24, 2013 at 2:29pm

I just found out this morning that our daughter is in Div 905. But not sure why... :) She is not musically inclined :) However, she is very athletic (she says that's why she was chosen)...she said something about having to clean the stands after PIR's...can you give me some insight? :) Thanks!

Comment by lemonelephant on October 22, 2013 at 11:29pm

Holly, thanks for the kind words. If you find out additional info that is not included, let me know.

Comment by Holly Nuke Mom on October 22, 2013 at 11:19pm

This is really helpful information. Thanks for writing the article up and posting it. I know it took you a long time to write it up with all of the detail you included.

Comment by lemonelephant on October 17, 2013 at 12:07am

daylec, I'm glad you found it helpful.

Comment by lemonelephant on October 16, 2013 at 10:07pm

KKristen11, yes, it is the correct address.

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